Milan Pavlů

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  • "The normalization was getting tougher and tougher, and I only survived thanks to our motoring club. Then it came to the point where they pushed me to collaborate. At work I was a designer and a lady was my draughtswoman. I had her draw the details and we knew each other. Her husband was a vet, and when they were on vacation, she came back, but he didn't come back. He was a member of the natives and we had worked together. And the Communists always wanted to find out why he went there. The counterintelligence officer first called my boss, who mentioned me working with the wife of the guy who ran away. I came from the interview and I said to the colleague, 'You know, they're interested in your husband.' They were probably angry then that I told her. A week later, the officer came again, took me in his car and started telling me about how he had to quit and had a recommendation to work as a soldier abroad. I wondered why he was telling me this. Finally he said that I was not allowed to talk anywhere about what we had discussed because I had three children and that I had to sign a confidentiality agreement. They just wanted to drag me in. That went on for about a fortnight. Then he came to see me again about Mrs. Markvartová. I told him to leave me alone, that I didn't know anything. I got so angry I went and wrote my resignation. I didn't know where I was going to go, but that was the end of it."

  • "The technicians that we were at the factory, we took turns. We supervised the gate keepers and the security of the whole factory, that was contractual. Just on August 21, I was on gatekeeper duty, and now all of a sudden, we're supposed to hide the guns, locked in a special compartment. There were several machine guns, rifles, submachine guns. I was there alone, so I asked a friend who was working overtime to help me. I picked up the keys at the gate and we put all the weapons in the sewer, where it was dry, and we didn't tell anyone where it was. We were ordered to do it from the defence in Liberec. We hid them and nothing happened. Nobody from the Special Branch asked any questions. Then the communists had some general meeting in the city, and one of them stood up and reminded us that the weapons had being managed in the Autopark and nobody knew where they were. He said our names, said we had stored them and God knows what we were going to do with them. That was for imprisonment. But fortunately, the person who had given me the order stood up and said it was okay. That saved us."

  • "I remember there were new rifles in the barn on the hay wagon. They were from Turnov from the soldiers. The Sokol asked for the allocation of rifles at that time, there could have been twenty of them and a thousand rounds of ammunition. The men were then sent to the forests of Ještěd to clear them of Germans. And then there was a German garrison on Ještěd. The mayor of Sokol and a member of the committee went in front of our soldiers, because the Germans had a machine gun there and they were equipped. They went as if they wanted to drink beer, they were quite eloquent, they handed out cigarettes, and in the meantime they captured the one who was guarding the machine gun and secured the other weapons that the Germans had stored in the corridor. This brought Ještěd under their control. Two days later Liberec was liberated."

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Military counterintelligence forced him to denounce people, so he went to uranium instead

As a soldier of the basic military service, 1962
As a soldier of the basic military service, 1962
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Milan Pavlů was born on 14 October 1939 in Světlá pod Ještědem-Hodky in the Český Dub region into a Sokol family. In September 1945, he started attending the local school and after finishing the school he entered the secondary technical school in Liberec in 1953. After graduating from secondary school in 1958, despite his poor cadre profile, he got a job at the military Automobile Repair Plant in Český Dub, where he spent his first years working on the development of the GAZ military jeep. In 1961, he started his basic military service with the air defence in Moravia in Záříčí near Chropyně, where he operated radars for the regions of Slovakia and Austria. After returning from the war he got married in 1962 and returned to his previous job. In 1968, he participated in the organization of the Two Thousand Words signature campaign and collected signatures from almost the entire company, including the chiefs. After the invasion of the Warsaw Pact troops, he had to undergo several interrogations and two interviews at the ministry in order to be able to stay in his job. In 1977, the Military Counterintelligence Service tried to get him to cooperate, which ended in a change of employment. In 1978 he went to Stráž nad Nisou, where he was involved in uranium mining, first in the drilling and later as a member of the technical development. He worked at the company until 1997, when he retired. In 2023 he was living in Světlá pod Ještědem. The story of the witness could be recorded thanks to the support from the municipality of Světlá pod Ještědem.