Vladimír Zboroň

So you started meetings with members of the secret church or secret churches? You know what they, they. There was such a secret, underground church where there are people like maybe. Čarný. Čarnogurský, maybe Korec. Čarný. Who? Čarný, so he is the artist. Juro? Juraj? His father. His father, well. Juraj's. You know what, you see. No, I was meeting with. They were, because those you say were probably the more conservative ones, the gentlemen. So, well, bishop, I think,also. What was his name? The archbishop, then Korec, and it was, it was such a strong underground church accepted by the Vatican, and the Vatican probably knew about it and the church was supported by the Vatican. But we used to be, I used to be, they weren't even that, that church. There were more thinkers who had access to literature. We were already transcribing the literature, they wore it, they knew how to get everything from the west, and in fact they, they, they told us about it already, well. This Mr. Sklenka, then Mr. Lec, we had meetting in apartments. But most of the time, they weren't like those. The people I met were not the believers. They were just people who were physicists, some mathematicians. There was even Palo Demeš. We also met at Mr. Demeš's in the evenings, in the nights. I don't know where they talked like that, they debated. There was always a topic or something came up and it was discussed there. And it wasn't like a secret church, but it was dangerous to meet like that, but it wasn't, she was, we didn't talk to each other or they didn't say that. That was such a dissent. Yes, well, exactly. They did not only deal with theology, they actually devoted themselves to thinking, thinking, thinking about everything, about time, about what would be, what would be needed here, what would need to be done, and done, and so on. Well, especially with himself, but that it would be possible to change even then, the company, well. I don't know, I really didn't expect that it would come pretty quickly. I knew there would be some change in my life, but that one, the expulsion from school was so much, not for me, but rather for my family. I wasn't even worried about myself, but rather about my family, because living with the rumor that their son was fired from the theological faculty, the faculty, at that time, in the surrounding where they stayed, it wasn't easy, well.

So when you were born, in the sixties, and you already mentioned that your childhood looked like you were in school and straight from school on a roll. It was completely that ordinary or what your days looked like, maybe some of those positive memories of childhood and growing up with other siblings. Well, yes, and you know what, but positively, well, but when I look at this today, it was, it was. At that time, I didn't like it anyway. As a child, doesn't like it when his parents chased him into something that he had to go to every day. In the summer I grazed cows every morning and evening and I wanted to play football with my friends. We had with friends, by the river there were such woods, such small log cabins, where we actually met, where we actually met, where we tasted the first cigarettes, well. We smoked. And all this was such that we had to run away. I used to play football, but almost, I don't know how many of those matches I finished because my mother or father was already shouting at me that Vlado come home, Stano, that is, with my brother or when we were three. Everybody come home because it is necessary to make wood to cut down, it is necessary to go to take out the manure, clean the animal's stables, then graze, then dig the potatoes. Well, actually, but in addition to that, we found the time, we ran away from those parents with those friends, and that was, that was, that was what I don't see today. As we were such not gangs in that sense, but such good friends and mates that we are, we were still together as such. The lower end, so the village was divided in such a way that the lower end, we were all those peers, we met somewhere, we talked, and tried to smoke. And then we went to those robots and we went together too. We went to the cows, because the flower beds were so next to each other, so we grazed. I know I remember that at that time we were there, nature was there, those streams were so full of crayfish. It is such a specialty today, and we did not even know what to do with crayfish, because it was such that every, every day we went to graze, we caught three, four, five pieces of crayfish.